Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: Supernatural
First, I just want to see how many people on here watch this show and absolutely love it... raise your hands!
I think one of the most endearing parts of it is that there are only two characters that we constantly see throughout the entire series. I'm amazed that the writers manage to create such intricate plotlines surrounding these two, yet still keep the focus on the emotional issues that the two have... did that make sense?
So, I guess I'll do a general sort of thread about what you love about the show and what you very much so dislike...
The one thing that I like so much is the chemistry between our two boys. Jensen and Jared are fantastic actors and their abilities to get emotion across scene to scene is astounding. They can be so funny and ridiculous one minute and the next, so sad and heartbreaking that you can feel everything that is happening on the screen. I have to say that my favorite between the two is Dean because he's so complex. Throughout his entire life, he's been a hunter thanks to their dad, John, and through that, he carries a very heavy weight on his shoulders, most of that being because of Sam, for whom he feels he has a great responsibility for and towards. I love the obvious love he has and that he is so willing to shoulder everything if just to spare Sam a moment's pain. It's... beautiful, as corny as that sounds.
Plus, Jensen is just incredibly hot.
Another aspect that I like is the way that they film the show. It's got such a dark noir sort of feeling. The overall look and feel is cast in a sort of deep blue that's gorgeous. And the music. That's jut my heart right there in the show. There are absolutely no shows out there that use such classic songs and to their extreme advantage.
And the Impala is the reason I have a speeding problem.
As of right now, I can't really think of anything that I don't like about the show because I'm in my beginning "love-love-love!" phase, and I'm really hoping that I don't think of anything because this show has captured my heart and doesn't want to let go...
What does everyone else think? Is there enough interest that we could sustain some good episode thread conversations?
Hmm...you know, when I first watched Supernatural, I just couldn't get into it - which is suprising as I love shows like this.
The story is good, the characters are great but I just don't see the depth that people keep going on about. I'm rewatching the series again. Hopefully, I can get into it as much as you guys can.
I like Supernatural, but I don't love it like I love shows like BtVS, Rome or even House. I think SN is very entertaining, well done and the stories are good and interesting. I have only seen season 1 so far, but I will probably buy season 2 on DVD when it comes out.
The relationship between Sam and Dean is great and well acted, I totally agree. I am a Sam-girl myself, but also Dean is a wonderful character. Sam is my favourite in his seriousness and strong principles - his belief in having the right to choose his own path. I admire Dean's protectiviness and dedication to his family, but I relate more to Sam's "free spirit".
SN actually managed to made me feel even scared at some points. I have never been a big horror-fan, so I scare easily. Especially Bloody Mary was such a creepy episode! _________________ Avatar by Vampkiss
*heeee* I so love SPN and of course Jensen. Such a hottie!
I think that the boys have a close relationship and Dean has a sense of resonsibility to Sam. But sometimes I don't know who is more mature. Dean's always acting with his heart and Sam thinks more about his actions. And I think that's the reason why they have some problems with each other.
I also have to admit that I like the first season better than the second one. There was more plot I think and sometimes I was so scared that I nearly couldn't sleep after watching some special episodes like Bloody Mary.
~kitty~ _________________ ~Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.~ (Oscar Wilde)
I like Supernatural, but I don't love it like I love shows like BtVS, Rome or even House. I think SN is very entertaining, well done and the stories are good and interesting.
I have to agree with you there. I don't think I will love SN as much as I love BtVS and GA. I don't feel that the story is as deep and insightful as BtVS.
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Sam is my favourite in his seriousness and strong principles - his belief in having the right to choose his own path. I admire Dean's protectiviness and dedication to his family, but I relate more to Sam's "free spirit".
That's why I love him.
I like how Sam has a mind of his own while Dean seem to follow John's every order. It gets on my nerves really. I like how Sam goes his own way and doesn't really follow John's orders as much as Dean.
Well, that's what I gather anyway from the first few eps I've watched.
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AS much as I didn't want to fall for the show, for special reasons, I sure did.
I fell for the feel of it, the hunting, the family business, the bad boy attitude that is DEAN! , and for the innocence of Sam.
I really think sometimes the storyline can get pretty weird, or inconsistent, but they somehow bounce back and make it whole in the end.
It's probably not as well written as Btvs, or Ats, or any other show like GA and House MD, whom I just enjoy hearing them talk, but the factor of darkness, the hunt of demons and all that crazy work, just brings me back over and over. _________________
AS much as I didn't want to fall for the show, for special reasons, I sure did.
I really think sometimes the storyline can get pretty weird, or inconsistent, but they somehow bounce back and make it whole in the end.
It's probably not as well written as Btvs, or Ats, or any other show like GA and House MD, whom I just enjoy hearing them talk, but the factor of darkness, the hunt of demons and all that crazy work, just brings me back over and over.
LOL. I have a slight idea of what those reasons might be. But seriously, I think I had heard too much of the show before seeing it. It didn't cause me a negative attitude but maybe it raised my expectations too high. I don't know. SN, though an excellent show, doesn't stir that strong emotions in me. But I do love the dark subjects and the different kinds of evils the boys have to face. I have always been fascinated with - well - supernatural things, so the subject alone makes it an intersting show well worth watching.
But you are right, the writing in SN isn't as good as in BtVS and House. Or at least it's very different and more "spotty". _________________ Avatar by Vampkiss
AS much as I didn't want to fall for the show, for special reasons, I sure did.
I really think sometimes the storyline can get pretty weird, or inconsistent, but they somehow bounce back and make it whole in the end.
It's probably not as well written as Btvs, or Ats, or any other show like GA and House MD, whom I just enjoy hearing them talk, but the factor of darkness, the hunt of demons and all that crazy work, just brings me back over and over.
LOL. I have a slight idea of what those reasons might be. But seriously, I think I had heard too much of the show before seeing it. It didn't cause me a negative attitude but maybe it raised my expectations too high.
I actually agree with you on this. I quite feel the same way.
I heard a lot of good things about SN. People are gushing over how superb the show is and my expectations was really high when I first started watching it. And I guess it's because the show didn't meet that high expectation, I didn't feel like it's all that good.
How interesting, this conversation. I have to admit that I didn't think I would like this show, almost at all, when I first heard about it because it only has two main characters. I wondered how they would be able to sustain a good plot line and still make their every day lives believable. So because of this, I guess I had some lower expectations, or none at all, considering I didn't really think I would like it.
I agree with someone in saying that SPN's first season was a bit more structured as far as the plot. There was a demon that they were all after, and it was resolved (well, kind of) more towards the ending. In the second season, it feels a lot like it's going in crazy directions, but I actually love that about it as well. This is a huge story arc over a couple of seasons and it's creating such a great drama.
But yes to the scary parts being better in Season One. Right now, I think we're concentrating more on emotions and what the situation is doing to the boys (which I love!) rather than the supernatural nasties being, well, nasty. Although I have to admit the second episode of this season scared the holy hell out of me because clowns are... eh. I'm terrified of them when it's dark.
I actually enjoy this show a great deal more than I do Grey's Anatomy because of the centralization. There is so, so much happening in Grey's Anatomy that I get bored trying to keep up with it. It doesn't make me care as much as SPN does, and it's definitely because of the characters. I'm fascinated with how far one person can go, rather than many, and since this show does only contain two characters, it fits me.
I don't watch Supernatural but only because it isn't still on air where I live, something that it is doomed to change in the begin of febraury. I am so going to watch it!
It is more than a year that I heard great things about this show. My curiosity was picked up from so long that I hope I won't end being disappoint from it.
So just few days for me and I finally will know what all this fuss around this show come from
Hi guys I found this interview to the Supernatural producer and I thought to share it with you.
Singer (the producer) tells that he would like to have James Marsters in the show!!!!!
Now since the rest of the interview contains spoilers, please follow the cut only if you won't to be upset from them.
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As Sam and Dean Winchester continue their trip down the highway to hell on the CW’s hit show SUPERNATURAL, there are two men who know better than anyone what sort of critter lies in wait for the boys just around the corner.
Those men are series creator Eric Kripke and Executive Producer Robert Singer and they love to scare and educate their audiences and put them face-to-face with urban legends, the more obscure the better.
iF MAGAZINE traveled the dark paths of these men’s minds to bring you the scoop on Sam’s dark side, the return of dad Winchester, where the series is going, and the big announcement of a prequel comic book series.
iF MAGAZINE: Will we be seeing the return of Dad Winchester this season in some form or other?
ERIC KRIPKE: On SUPERNATURAL there’s room for anything. Spirits can come back; demons can come back, so yeah we’d like to bring dad back in some capacity. Jeffrey Morgan is a very busy boy so trying to find a schedule that works for all of us is a consideration as well. But yes, we’re talking about finding a way to bring him back
ROBERT SINGER: [Laughs] What he said. We’ve got some plans in the works.
iF: How evil is Sam going to be before its all over?
KRIPKE: I’ll say this, there’s certainly a reason all of these kids have been chosen, and there is something evil within all of them. We don’t choose these children pel-mel there’s a reason why these children are special; which we reveal at the end of this season it’s in the finale. That’s all we can say.
SINGER: There’s a fine line between good and evil and we’re walking it.
iF: Do you have season three on the boards already?
SINGER: Yup. We know what season three is going to be conceptually. We have sign posts along the way and we know where we want to get to during the course of the season.
KRIPKE: We’ve been talking about seasons one and two about this war of demons against humanity that keeps threatening to begin; I can say this without giving too much away, that at the end of season two that war begins. Season three is in many ways about them fighting this war. The value of that mythology is we don’t have to get so wrapped up in bicentennial levels of complexity and mythology; it can just be a war has begun. War can take many different, painful for the guys and fun for the audience, forms. We still plan on keeping the same level in season three between self-enclosed and mythology episodes, we just plan on ramping up the stakes, because this war keeps getting bigger and bigger and more and more dangerous. That’s been fun for us because every season things keep getting more and more dangerous and worse and worse but we can still convey it to the audience that doesn’t become too bewildering or complicated.
SINGER: Eric has always been saying since day one that he doesn’t want to tease the audience with the mythology. When we do a mythology episode, questions would be answered and it would have an end to it and not just cliffhang, cliffhang, cliffhang. What we’ve done this year is answer a huge question at the end about the mythology, but it opens up a much wider world and a bigger mythology and I know it’s going to be satisfying for the audience.
iF: In season one in the “Wendigo” episode you didn’t show the creature because you weren’t as happy with it...was “Crossroad Blues” and the hellhounds an example of that this season?
KRIPKE: It’s actually an example of what we learned. There’s a difference between season one and season two for us. In season one we said,” we’ve got this Wendigo, let’s see it, let’s design a monster!” In season two we said, “we got hellhounds and we’re never going to see them. They’re invisible hellhounds!” We were smarter from the jump how to convey these creatures and to not try to mount creatures that we knew were beyond the constraints of our limited time and budget. One of the reasons we feel the show is more successful this year is we’re smarter about that. For my money “Crossroad Blues” is one of my favorite episodes this year. It’s just as scary if not scarier with out seeing the hellhounds.
iF: Admittedly that episode with the facial distortions was the one that freaked me out the most this season so far.
KRIPKE: Oh well good!
SINGER: The question came up to today as far as what scares us, and I think I speak for Eric here too, when we saw the first test of the facial thing we both went “whoa!” [Laughs]
iF: You guys made the transition from the WB to the CW, did it give you any more freedom on the new network as to what you can show?
SINGER: We’re moving to CBS next year. [Laughs]
KRIPKE: I think in some ways we have freer reign on the CW, but that’s in terms of storyline. In terms of visuals and the gore and violence that we show, there’s been a pretty close similarity between what the WB and CW would allow which is a lot.
SINGER: When you’re directing one, you have try to push the envelope and they’ve been pretty good and reasonable, so as a network experience we’re happy in terms of what they let us do in storytelling and in being graphic.
iF: Any critters that you guys haven’t done yet that are coming on?
KRIPKE: A couple big ones coming up, we have an episode where the boys realize they may or may not be hunting an angel and we feel that introduces interesting issues of whether or not there is a God and should they be hunting an angel. There’s an episode coming up where we introduce werewolves into our mythology and Emmanuelle Vaugier plays a werewolf and a pretty hot one. That episode is called “Heart” and Sam has some hot naked sex with her before he finds out she’s a werewolf. Then we have an episode where the boys investigate a haunted movie set, which has been a lot of fun for us because they go to the set of a cheesy horror movie directed my McG. He’s either going to be in it or an actor that plays him, we’re still working it out. We play with all of the haunted movie set mythology like the POLTERGEIST set, the THREE MEN AND A BABY set; it’s called “Hollywood Babylon”.
iF: Do you ever feel like you’ll run out of urban legends?
KRIPKE: No, not really. I can go online right now and find about 300 of them. If we run 27
BONNANZA years, then maybe, but in a five or six year run, there’s such a rich catalogue of urban legends and American Folklore that we won’t run out. From the beginning I’ve been looking forward to getting past the greatest hits. It’s my own geeky obsession and I know the uber obscure legends across the country that are so much more interesting and scarier than the great hits of “bloody Mary” and “hook man”.
SINGER: We actually like the more obscure ones. We have all of these books like “Weird America” and “Weird New Jersey” books that I never even knew existed. Our office looks like Agent Mulder’s office. You spend tweny minutes going through these things and all of a sudden you find something that works in the story that you’re working on and it’s new to the audience. We feel duty bound to do vampires and finally getting around to werewolves and I think that’s to satisfy people’s expectations. I think it helps with the characters when they know more than the audience does, then we sort of educate the audience. Even when we do vampires, they’re different and our werewolf is different.
iF: This might be a stupid question, but did Sam wear a cast this season as the character or because of something Jared Padalecki did to himself?
SINGER: He had a real injury. He broke his wrist over hiatus and didn’t take care of it as well as he might and then on the vampire episode when they attack him in the motel room and the guy hits him over the head and he falls, he fell on it and that was that. Two days later he was in a cast.
iF: Any other shows that you guys are fans of, that you would like actors to guest spot from?
SINGER: I thought BUFFY had a great cast, and we used Amber Benson. I’d like to get Spike [James Marsters] on our show. I never thought I would particularly like BUFFY, but my wife got me hooked on it, and I was hooked on him. Plus, that series was so well written. It was so smart.
iF: How far through a season do you guys start road mapping out the next one?
SINGER: It’s a little fluid, like this year in the middle of the season, we’ve changed direction on the finale from what that was going to be. Once we decided that, it opened up a whole new world as to what season three was going to be. I fully suspect that during season three we’ll do a course correction as well, because we’re always open to saying that things are not chipped into granite.
iF: Any SUPERNATURAL merchandising that we’ll be seeing?
KRIPKE: There’s a SUPERNATURAL comic book being published by DC and Wildstorm written by Peter Johnson, who is one of our co-executive producers. It’s not about the boys; we’ve worked very hard to make it not another craven piece of marketing, but something that fleshes out the universe of the show. Bob [Singer] and I are intimately involved so it feels like, for us, the un-produced episodes of the show. It’s the John Winchester story and it’s called SUPERNATURAL ORIGINS. It starts when mom is burnt on the ceiling, but instead of flashing forward twenty-two years, it stays with John Winchester and it details how he became a demon hunter and how he met characters like Missouri, and Ellen, and Bobby for the first time. It’s the story about a demon hunter with two children and how does he find the demon that killed his wife? So, it’s not about the boys at all, it just fills in the blanks in the boys’ childhood. We’re starting with a six-issue series, and if it sells well then the sky’s the limit. We have twenty-two years worth of stories to tell.
iF: This is pretty unique to find a comic that closely tied to a TV show, especially being written by the show’s writers.
SINGER: He’s involved in everything.
KRIPKE: For me a lot of the inspiration for the show came from comic books. I’m a huge fan of SANDMAN; I’m a huge fan of HELLBLAZER. The inspirations from those comics are all over the series. Anyone looking closely would say that character is inspired by the character of Death in SANDMAN or that character is inspired by John Constantine. When the opportunity came to do a comic, I didn’t want it to be crap I wanted it to be good, and this is coming full circle from where the inspiration started. We’ve been very; very involved to make sure that it is something that we can be as proud of as we are of the show.
I have to comment that SN season 2 has started airing here in Finland a few weeks ago. I've seen the first 3 episodes now, and I have to admit, I like this show more this time. Maybe I have been able to forget all the unbelievable SN hype I witnessed before watching season 1. Now I feel I can relax and watch the show without any huge expectations. I don't know whether the episodes really are any better during this season - I think it's just my attitude that has changed. But SN feels really good now. _________________ Avatar by Vampkiss
Am I the only one who's starting to feel less and less for the boys? I've been re-watching season 1 and realised that the show was much better back then (*grin* sounds like it was a hundred years ago ), I cared more about the characters and I found the plots and 'cases' much more interesting. I think the thing that has gotten me less involved was when it became very very personal, and it felt like some characters no longer was the same after
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the appearance for John Winchester and the whole ending of season 1/beginning of season 2
I still like the show but it's not the same anymore. I don't get scared by the episodes anymore. I was watching 'Scarecrow' the other night and I had forgotten most of that episode so
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when Dean visits the historian(?) and he's about to leave he opens the door and the sheriff hits him right in the noggin'
I almost fell of my chair and I had to go hunt for the cucumber for my sandwich Those small moments and events doesn't happen anymore. I haven't jumped liked that during the entire second season. The episodes is no longer about the cases that much but more about the destiny of Sam which is starting to get pretty annoying. I'm sorry if I'm offending someone here but the show just isn't the same anymore. It's not very scary, the episodes isn't bringing in as much good stuff as they used to.. and the show is pretty much becoming another show among all the others in tv land.. which is sad because the consept is really great and it came off to a great start. Not many shows that has that great of a first season, just look at Buffy. First season - not so good, but then it hit off.. seems it's the other way around with Supernatural... _________________
Finally I watched it!
Truth be told I watched the first two episodes of it and I have to say that I like this show. Sure it isn't obsession worthy for me until now but it's a good show that I hope will improve during the season.
The pilot was great. I liked the plot and the family story intrigued me a lot. The second episode "Wendigo" leaved me a bit disappointed but not too much to stop watching the show.
After only two episodes I like Dean more than Sam. The second one being too much immature until now for me.
Supernatural remind me a lot of X-Files, Millennium, Btvs e few other Sci-fi shows so I think that I'll end loving it.
No one that watched "Wendigo" thought that the monster was "very" alike to Gnarl? Just me?
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That's jut my heart right there in the show. There are absolutely no shows out there that use such classic songs and to their extreme advantage.
